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Upcoming Snoggletog Short or Episode? [UPDATED]


UPDATE: There is no reason to believe that this is related to the episode "Snoggletog - Pt. 2" or Rescue Riders in general. As far as we know, both the script below and Rescue Riders are still intended for release on Neflix and do not necessarily involve voice work from Jay. However, this is still a fun moment showing how Jay records for the films and TV show!

Snoggletog has come early! It looks like we might be getting another dragons holiday short or episode, based on an Instagram story shared by Jay Baruchel. In the story, we hear Jay recording two lines:

"That why we want to bring back the Snoggletog pageant!"
"So we were thinking we would like the bring back the Snoggletog pageant!"

While most people are speculating that this may be a Snoggletog short, it may also be an episode of the upcoming Netflix show DreamWorks Dragons: Rescue Riders. In October, Brennley Brown, a cast member of Rescue Riders shared two scripts on her Instagram story, one of which had a title "Snoggletog - Pt. 2." Left of the title may be an episode number, though it's unclear at the resolution of the image.



What do you think the recording is for?

The Hidden World: Spoiler Discussion



Have you seen The Hidden World yet? If you're from one of a couple lucky locations around the world — or if you're in the United States and were able to attend the early screening on February 2 — you probably have seen the film already and want to discuss the story and spoilers!

What do you think of the film? What were your favorite parts? Did you prefer Drago or Grimmel as a villain? Do you think the Light Fury is the right dragon for Toothless? What is your opinion on dragon mind control? Did you enjoy the Jónsi music? What do you think about the new dragons introduced in the film? And how would you rank The Hidden World compared to the rest of the Dragon films?

Tell us in the comments below! (No spoilers tags required — we assume everyone reading below this article has already seen the film and wants to see spoilers!)

Preview The Hidden World's Music


The full soundtrack for The Hidden World is expected to be released on February 1, just ahead of the film release in most places around the world. But if you can't wait until then, a sneak peek for each track is available on iTunes. In the player below are short previews of the 17 tracks of The Hidden World! This includes a preview of "The Hidden World" by John Powell and Jonsi (Track 13)!

In addition, check out "The Hidden World Suite" released on YouTube by Back Lot Music, a full track of nearly seven minutes of themes we can expect to hear from the full score when it is released on February 1. Listen to this in the video above!

If the embedded player does not load, you can listen to the track previews here.



Have you listened to all of the track previews? Which tracks are your favorites?

New Clip: Flashback with Hiccup and Stoick



DreamWorks has released a brand new clip from The Hidden World featuring baby Hiccup and Stoick, just in time for the U.K. release date of the film. The clip is an extension of the Stoick and Hiccup shots shown in the trailer, very similar to part of a sequence shown during the TIFF panel.

Watch above, or see the exclusive clip here!

Upcoming Games: Titan Uprising and Dawn of New Riders



There are two new games (and counting!) coming out around the release of How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World. Here is an overview of DreamWorks Dragons: Titan Uprising and DreamWorks Dragons: Dawn of New Riders and what we can expect when they come out in early 2019 after the film is released!

The two games look very different so far, and are for different platforms. The mobile game Titans Uprising is the most dragon-focused of the two, with nearly 100 dragon species to discover in the game, and is based on the story of Hiccup and Toothless. On the other hand, console and PC game Dawn of New Riders explores a the dragon universe beyond the riders from the films, introducing a completely new dragon-rider duo, Scribbler and Patch.

Read more about both below!


DreamWorks Dragons: Titan Uprising




The most recent of the two games announced, Titan Uprising is a mobile game designed by Ludia, the creators who are also behind another popular dragon game, Rise of Berk. Titan Uprising is a puzzle role-playing game for Android and iOS featuring Hiccup, Astrid, Toothless, and other main characters and dragons in their fight against the "Dragonroot Company."

Titan Uprising is a combination of match-3 puzzle game and a role-playing game that takes place across the many islands around Berk. The game also features some strange, new dragons that we've never seen before. This includes the lovely Muck & Tumble: described as "The gassiest dragon on Berk. In a good way," by Hiccup, this anomalous Hideous Zippleback produces gas from both heads and sparks from neither. Muck & Tumble, along with nearly 100 other dragons, can be found by the player in game.



A large part of the game involves hatching, growing, training, and discovering new abilities of dragons in order to build stronger teams for battling. But if you're a pacifist, Titans Uprising also allows the player to breed their dragons, including cross-breeding existing species to create new kinds of dragons. It should be fun to see what strange new species can be created within the game!



Titan Uprising will be released to the world in early 2019, ahead of the release of The Hidden World. But if you're Canadian, then you're in luck! Titan Uprising is currently in "soft launch" only in Canada and on iOS, so you can try out the game before the rest of us!

If you're not Canadian, you can still get in on the uprising early by pre-registering to receive a "Premium Draft Token" at DragonsTitanUprising.com. According to Ludia, the token results in a guaranteed dragon, along with a variety of other in-game advantages. (Though they had us at "guaranteed dragon.")

Watch the Titans Uprising game trailer above, thanks to Ludia!


DreamWorks Dragons: Dawn of New Riders




We're also getting a second Dragons game, developed by Outright Games and Climax Studios for Xbox One, PlayStation 4, Nintendo Switch and PC called Dawn of New Riders. The game features two new characters: Scribbler, a scholar from the island Havenholme with a mysterious past, and Patch, a new dragon species called the "chimeragon."



In part, the game seems to be focused on a fight against an unnamed villain that "destroyed a dragon sanctuary created by Hiccup, Toothless, and his dragon riders." Though New Riders features new characters, it looks like we will be able to explore locations we've seen before, such as Valka's Mountain.



Dawn of the New Riders will be available in February 2019, after the film is released. You can find out more about it on the game website and it also appears to have a page on Steam.


What do you think of the new games? And if you're Canadian, have you tried the soft launch version of Titan Uprising yet? so, share your dragons in the comments!

New Hidden World Clips and Interview



Here's a recently released collection of clips, and an interview with director Dean DeBlois. This is likely intended for the Australian audience, where the film is scheduled for an earlier release on January 3. Although there are no major spoilers in the clips, you might not want to watch these if you're interested in seeing everything for the first time in the theater.

In addition to the new clips and interviews, the segment also shares a refresher of the two previous films and highlights what has changed in the Dragon universe up to The Hidden World. This part of the segment is very similar to the clip shown at the start at the TIFF Hidden World panel, including the same script for the voiceover narration.

What did you think of the new clips, their parallels to the first film, and Hiccup and Astrid's relationship?

Hiccup and Astrid Hidden World Spoilers



In our discussion with Dean DeBlois a couple weeks ago, he told us that it might be wise for fans to "steer clear of social media for the next couple of months," telling us that details about the film might appear online ahead of the film release that — if he were a fan — he would not want to know.

Well, here's one of the first instances of one of these details released about Hiccup and Astrid. If you would prefer not to know about potentially major details like this, Berk's Grapevine has a "spoiler filter" that you can activate at the bottom of every page that will hide articles like this one on every page.

If you decide to read ahead, PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT ABOUT THIS on any other Berk's Grapevine article UNLESS YOU HIDE SPOILERS in your comments by wrapping them with <spoiler> ... </spoiler> tags. If you share this information outside of Berk's Grapevine or on other social media sites without easy spoiler blocking, please be mindful of other fans who may not want to know this.

Warning: The rest of this article contains spoilers.

















Last chance to turn back!

















Photos and toy listings have appeared ahead of the film release indicating that Hidden World might feature a wedding scene between Hiccup and Astrid. The Playmobil photos above, first appearing on Twitter, seem to very clearly show a character with a prosthetic foot on the left. Beyond this, it's unclear whether these characters are Hiccup and Astrid. From this photo alone, it's also unclear whether the toy is legitimate.



However, a Playmobil toy listing appearing on Amazon in Germany as PLAYMOBIL 70045 "Dragons Special Playset" indicates that Hiccup and Astrid are wearing "hochzeitsgewand," or wedding attire. It does not include photos, so it is unknown whether this is the toy from the Twitter photo.

Above is the Amazon listing, translated into English.



What do you think about the new toy? Do you think Hiccup and Astrid's wedding will be shown in the film, and when do you think they will get married? And a final reminder — please be kind and respectful in sharing this information outside of Berk's Grapevine. Other fans may not want to know this!

New Trailer, NYCC Panel, and Cast and Crew Interview!



During the New York Comic Con panel, DreamWorks previewed a new trailer for The Hidden World — the same trailer that was released for the first time publicly today! The focus of the How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World panel was clips, clips, and even more clips! But if you weren't there and didn't see the new clips other than the new trailer, don't worry: between the clips, there was plenty of discussion about the story of the final dragon film, as well as the production process.

Many of the clips shown at New York Comic Con were also shown at the Toronto International Film Festival panel. Fortunately, Berk's Grapevine was at TIFF as well! For a detailed discussion of those clips, see our detailed discussion of the last Dragon panel.

Finally — a Berk's Grapevine exclusive — we were lucky enough to have one-on-one discussions with Dean DeBlois, Jay Baruchel, Brad Lewis, and president of DreamWorks Feature Animation Chris DeFaria backstage after the panel. And we asked them some of the questions you submitted! We also asked them if they had a message for you, the Dragon fans, and they had some great responses. The discussions are printed in full at the end of the article.

Warning: The rest of this article contains spoilers.


"Course Correct Us When We Go Astray"




The panel started with Grae Drake, senior editor at Rotten Tomatoes and panel moderator, introducing writer and director Dean DeBlois and a couple special guests: Jay Baruchel, voice of Hiccup, and Brad Lewis, Hidden World producer.

The very first topic of discussion wasn't the film, but the fans of the film. DeBlois discusses how exciting it is to have such an active fan base. He mentions how Dragon fans are, saying that they are especially vocal and passionate, and willing to "course correct" the Dragon crew when fans believe they "go astray."


"Don't Have Anybody Walk Through Flame!"




Dean DeBlois and Brad Lewis discuss the challenges of producing a film like The Hidden World. DeBlois compares Dragon to working on films using hand-drawn animation, such as Lilo & Stitch, where detail had to be stripped away and characters simplified in order to be drawn frame-by-frame by animators.

Compared with hand-drawn animation, CGI animation allows for more complex characters, but is limited in other ways: films were limited in the number of sets, or the kinds of effects used. Water, cloud, and flame used to be hard, but things have changed. With The Hidden World, the ability to create is "boundless" compared to prior technology.

Brad Lewis discusses during the panel — and in our interview with him afterward — the benefits of using Moonray, the new renderer debuting in The Hidden World and critical for achieving the effects and monumental complexity of the new film.

Grae Drake mentions that the new technology was important in designing a new character on this film, the Light Fury, and the special ability she showcases in a clip. The clip, called "First Date," was the courtship sequence shown at TIFF between Toothless and the Light Fury, some parts of which were also shown publicly in the first and second trailers. During this clip, Toothless and the Light Fury's first significant moment together, we see for the first time the Light Fury's special ability to disappear with only her outline visible as a displacement of her background.


"Sometimes It's Hard to See Where I Stop and He Begins"




In response to the clip, Jay Baruchel discusses his long and unusual relationship with Hiccup. Having never played any character longer than he has played Hiccup, for over ten years including the films and television shows, Jay Baruchel feels especially connected to Hiccup. "Sometimes it's hard to see where I stop and he begins," Baruchel comments.

When Jay Baruchel surprised us at TIFF, he had something similar to say about Hiccup, who DeBlois described as "kind of a beta leader" who is "ahead of his time" — a personality that fits Baruchel especially well. Baruchel also revealed that he was trying to make Hiccup sound as Canadian as possible during recording. (We ask him about this and other secrets about Hiccup's personality during our discussion with him backstage — read his answers below!)


"But Wait, There's More!"




Following the Grimmel clip, there was another surprise guest — the voice of Grimmel himself (and Academy Award winning actor for his role in Amadeus) F. Murray Abraham! Pandering to his New York audience, Abraham walked on stage waving a Yankees jacket.

A fan shouts, "Amadeus was awesome!"

"How to Train Your Dragon is better!" he shouts back.



F. Murray Abraham repeatedly tells us how incredible it was working on How to Train Your Dragon. DeBlois says that, though Abraham and Baruchel have very different acting styles, they are both "self directing" — they can read through a script and correct lines to make sure they sound correct. And for The Hidden World, F. Murray Abraham played a critical role in crafting the character of Grimmel, editing lines and repeating takes until they can "get it right!"


"The Ancestral Home of All Dragons"




Dean DeBlois discusses the process of recording the lines for the film, and the challenges of mostly recording each individual actor separately, where he has the job of playing the other characters during recording sessions. "There are three whole other movies out there with Dean doing all the characters voices, which maybe one day you'll get to experience!" Jay Baruchel jokes.

Grae Drake asks Dean DeBlois about the meaning of the title.

"Now let's talk about the title of this film."

"The title is The Hidden World—"

"Thank you, I had forgotten, I was just asking for you to remind me."

"The Hidden World," DeBlois says, "speaks to an old mariners' myth about a secret land at the edge of the world where dragons live completely out of reach. Those sailers that got too close to it went off the edge of a great waterfall, never to be seen again. But it's rumored to be the ancestral home of all dragons."

Pressure building on Berk, Hiccup remembers what his father told him about the hidden world and decides that it's worth trying to find. Perhaps, he reasons, the hidden world could be a place where dragons and humans are able to live together away from Grimmel and any other enemies who may want to harm Berk or their dragons in the future.


"You Feel Like You're Standing in a Magical Place"




"There are 300 people who have been working on this movie for the last three or four years," Brad Lewis reminds us after showing us the beautiful fourth clip, "and they're top of their game, right here with us." F. Murray Abraham seemed to particularly enjoy the previous clip, standing and facing away from the audience and toward the screen so he could watch it with us.

Asked when he first knew when The Hidden World would turn out to be so beautiful, Brad Lewis says he knew from the start! "The greatest challenge you have as a production designer is to invent a mythical word that doesn't exist," Lewis tells us. "You feel like you're standing in a magical place," surrounded by concept art and ideas that bring a sense of realism and plausibility to the fantastical world of The Hidden World and truly bring the universe to life.


"Effort Sounds"




There's going to be a lot of action in The Hidden World, and that can be a challenge for actors to communicate through their voice alone. Jay Baruchel comments that he's always moving about, which often involves shouting and grunting he calls "effort sounds."

"Sometimes you have to jump about to get the proper sound to come out of you!"



Jay Baruchel demonstrates. Laughing along with the effort sounds, F. Murray Abraham says that this is not easy, and Baruchel is very good at what he does. But as far as his strategy for communicating action, he teases: "What I do is a big secret and I'm not going to tell you."

Dean DeBlois tells us how he grew up as a "Star Wars kid" who wrote his own stories and drew Star Wars art, and never believed he would have been in the position of creating his own trilogy of beloved films someday. He talks about the importance of developing a series of films with "quality and integrity" that stand on their own, but also tell a broader story together. The goal, DeBlois says, is to give Dragon films with "a period" at the end and not to "let it carry on and on, losing its sense of purpose."


Talking with the Creators


After the panel, we were very lucky to be able to go backstage and talk with some of the cast and crew of the film! Thank you to everyone who submitted a question for the participants of the New York Comic Con panel! We asked some of your questions during our discussions with Dean DeBlois, Jay Baruchel, Chris DeFaria, and Brad Lewis. Our discussions with them, lightly edited for clarity, are below!


Interview: Dean DeBlois (Writer and Director)




Hi, we're from Berk's Grapevine, it's great to meet you!

Hi, it's nice to meet you! I've been checking your site for many years, it's kind of the pulse of whether fans are happy or angry with us! I heard from one of your cohort that you were at TIFF, but we didn't get to meet you.

Yes! TIFF was a lot of fun, and now we've seen the full collection of clips — except Annecy.

Well, actually, the only one we didn't show in Toronto that we showed in Annecy is the opening one here. So you've seen them all! You've seen everything that we've shown so far! And hopefully we won't show any more. Because I'm particularly aware of the spoilery nature involved.

So when you're in charge of building this massive universe, where the films are the backbone, is it a challenge to pull together all the different story threads of the TV show and the graphic novel?

Well, it may be sloppy writing on my part, but I don't go too deeply into the territory of the series, or even the graphic novels in terms of including them as story material of the trilogy. That's in part because, on the heels of the original How to Train Your Dragon when they said they wanted to make another movie, I said "Let's do a trilogy. Three parts, one story: Hiccup's coming of age. And each will be a standalone movie." I had mapped out what each of those installments would be then, even before we had a TV series, with plenty of story material to explore without bringing in other characters and storylines.

And yet, the whole universe is so cohesive, right? Everything kind of fits together.

Right, and that was deliberate on our part. I would get together with the showrunners of the TV show every few months and we would get dinner, and they would talk about what they're doing. I'd talk about what I was doing. And just make sure that we wouldn't be stepping on one another's toes. And that we were consistent about relationships and world explored and new dragons. We wanted it to all feel like it was part of one universe that didn't contradict one another.

We've really enjoyed seeing a bit behind the scenes of the film based on what you — and recently John Powell — have shared online. Where are you now in film production, and what is it like to score the film?

It's amazing. I love working with animators, and it's inspiring. But because I'm not a musician myself, it's fantastic to step into John's world. We've become so accustomed to the temporary score that we have on the movie as it's sort of built up over the years, that it's like a new paint job. It kind of comes in and elevates the storytelling. And it makes — it's kind of magical. Because I don't really play music, I don't understand it. It feels like magic to me. It transcends dialogue, it transcends description, it just touches you in your heart. And that's amazing. So on Friday, we're leaving for London and we'll be recording the score that he's been steadily writing over the past month — at Abbey Road studios for the next few weeks.

And off to Skywalker ranch for the mix. We'll do that for most of November. And by the end of November, the movie will be done.

Do you have a message for all the fans, who are excited about the new films and eagerly looking for new details about it?

Yeah! Because I'm a fan of other franchises myself, I know what it's like to want to know more, and yet hate yourself afterward for digging so deep and spoiling it for yourself. So I would say, if you're a fan who's worried about spoilers, maybe steer clear of social media for the next couple of months. Because I know the nature of marketing. They keep wanting to put stuff out there, and there are so many surprises within the movie that I would personally not want to know.

But thank you to the fans for being so dedicated and being such a passionate fan base! It's really meaningful to us. It gives us such a boost of support and encouragement. We love all the effort you put into it, and we love your love for the characters. It gives reason to all of this. It's super fun to make movies and work in animation, but when you know that it's so well received and that people truly care about it, it goes up another level. It's not something I ever anticipated, but it really warms my heart that people do connect so deeply.

Thank you so much for talking with us!

Hey, I really appreciate it! Thanks for Berk's Grapevine!


Interview: Jay Baruchel (Voice of Hiccup)




At TIFF, we heard Hiccup is secretly Canadian. As the Hiccup expert, are there any other secret details about him you can share with the fans?

Yeah, well. He swears a lot in the booth when we're recording! So there's probably a whole bunch of really offensive audio of me saying the F-word or something.

And to this day, including today, since the very second or third recording session on the first movie, they always get me McDonalds. And so every time I have to record, there's always McDonalds waiting for me, whether I'm in LA, Toronto, Montreal, or wherever. And I got here today this morning off a plane from Toronto and there's a bunch of McDonalds breakfast waiting for me. So Hiccup eats a lot of crappy food!

After playing Hiccup in the movies, TV shows, and shots, what part do you most enjoy recording — the action, the comedy, the drama ... the grunting?

Oh, the effort sounds? Yeah, the effort sounds would be the answer!

No, no. Definitely not.

It's weird. Usually I like doing drama more than the funny stuff in general. But in this character, if I can make him [Dean DeBlois] laugh, that's my goal. I really love getting to make the character my own and he [DeBlois] really gives me the freedom to do so. So I love making jokes and trying to get Dean to corpse. And then, as a lifelong GI Joe fan who played cops and robbers as a wee one, to get on top of a dragon and yell, "Come on! forward!" All that sort of general stuff is fun too!

Do you have a message to give to the fans?

Yes! Thank you! Thank you for liking our movies, and thank you for liking them as they are and for what they are. Our fans have consistently let us know that our movies and TV shows are for them. They're uncommon movies, about uncommon characters. And they're made with a great deal of care. They're movies filled with square pegs. Nobody likes our movies hoping that they turn slicker, or something. And if feels like people like the square peggy-ness, maybe because a lot of our fans are square pegs themselves, maybe.

I think both of us are!

Yeah, that makes three of us here! That was a big one for me after the first movie. I wished this movie had existed when I was a kid. I could have definitely used being able to see it. Because if you're different than the average, if you're wired differently than the average kid at your school, then it can be kind of weird sometimes. It's nice to have three movies that celebrate that. And I want to thank everybody for being on the adventure with us!


Interview: Chris DeFaria (Director of Feature Films)




We love how much DreamWorks connects with fans, and shares with us the behind-the-scenes experience of making films. How much of that will we see in the future, and what was the idea behind Dragon in getting the fans involved?

There are a couple bits to your question. In terms of our fans, the relationship we have with our fans is the most relationship we have, clearly. It's not just with our movies and our fans, it's with DreamWorks and our fans. So we continue today — both in our formal way — to have lots of programs to bring kids and students and aspiring animators in behind the scenes.

And we also have a social media presence, which is going to really amp up as we get to the release of this film to bring you back and show you what we're so proud of, which is an incredible campus, incredible technology, and incredible artists. Dragons is our biggest, most important movie ever. Obviously it's going to open in a couple months, so we want our fans to know both how important they are to that, and how important they are to DreamWorks in the larger sense.


Interview: Brad Lewis (Producer)




Can you tell us more about the technological achievements behind the scenes of The Hidden World? What makes Moonray and the new technologies we're seeing so special?

You know, a lot of the glamorous stuff about our movie we talk about most obviously. We've got Dean, who's a great story writer, and we talk about romance, and crying, and all the reactions to the movie. But one really impressive thing is that these are marathons! And we've got a lot of people working in so many different aspects of the movie that we keep standing ourselves up on.

On this movie, we're debuting at DreamWorks this crazy new renderer. I think it's going to up the bar for the whole industry. We can do waist-high grasses with pollen in the air moving in the air as people are running through them. I've been around for a little while — and for a director to say, "I want Light Fury to come out of that tall grass and I want Hiccup to run toward her" — in the past we'd say, we can't do that, right? So we built our renderer for that.

If our animators can iterate like crazy and if they can do four, five, or six iterations in an hour or two on a scene, that means we get better animation. They get to see it, and they get to show it to Dean. In The Hidden World, we've taken matte painting and digimatte to a whole new level. When you see The Hidden World, I think it's really tough to see where matte painting takes over, where are our 2.5-D elements and where are our 3-D elements, and how they merge.

The rendering numbers — it starts to get boring to talk about these things — but they're off the charts! So the fact that we have a pipeline that can do that, the fact that we can now have three departments all working simultaneously on a shot? It sounds like it should have always happened, but it wasn't like that way before.

Since your work as producer of Antz (1998) until now, what has changed the most in the way that animated films are produced?

This will sound unusual, but I think that the crew believes now that they can actually do something that's going to be special. They believe that they can finish a movie. When we started on Antz — the second computer generated movie ever and the first one coming out at DreamWorks — I spent a lot of time reassuring people that, yes, it was going to be okay. In a given day, I would have twenty meetings. Every fifteen or twenty minutes, people came and said, "we can't do this." And I was like, "I think we can?" I remember toward the end I said, "I'm just so tired of 'I don't think we can do this,' and being the person saying, 'I think we can!'"

Now that the basic belief is "we can do it," the new challenge is to artistically differentiate yourself. Because if you can do anything, congratulations: now you can be artistically special and have an edge. That's our new challenge. Where before, it was what can we do? Now, if we can do almost anything, what do we want to do? Sometimes that's harder.

Do you have a message for the fans before we go? Something to say to them who have been with the franchise for the past ten years?

The fans give us as much as we give them. Without that sense of enthusiasm and emotional connection to our characters and our world, we wouldn't get up the same way every day — you know you're going to be more inspired because you know it's more important to people out there. And that's important to us. So when we feel that, that's the visceral piece of us. That's what we really hope for. So in a way, they represent our hope, they represent our aspiration. And that's what we get from them. And so I love them for it.


Thank you to Dean DeBlois, Jay Baruchel, Chris DeFaria, and Brad Lewis for their insightful answers about The Hidden World and the filmmaking process! And many thanks to the wonderful people at DreamWorks and Universal for organizing this event and for allowing us to share this incredible experience with you!

As the pulse of the Dragons fandom, what do you think about the New York Comic Con panel, our discussions with the cast and crew of The Hidden World and the newly released trailer from NYCC that premiered today? What are you most looking forward to about The Hidden World?

Berk's Grapevine at NYCC: The Hidden World



Looking forward to the How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World panel at New York Comic Con this year, but couldn't get your badge in time to attend? Do you have any questions that you wish you could ask to Dean DeBlois or the mysterious special guests who will show up?

We've got you covered: Berk's Grapevine will be at the NYCC panel!

Just like we did for TIFF, we're planning on sharing a detailed discussion of exactly what happens during the panel, including a description of the new clips from the film that will be shown. DreamWorks has also teased that special guests will be attending. During the previous panel at TIFF, director Dean DeBlois and producer Brad Lewis were joined by an unannounced guest: Jay Baruchel!

Who do you think will be the special guests at NYCC?

Do you have any questions for Dean DeBlois, or maybe a question for someone you think will be a special guests? Ask your questions below in the comments, and we'll do our best to get answers for a couple!

Have a question for Dean DeBlois (or special guests)?

Write your question in the comments below!



Event Description (via NYCC)
Welcome cast and filmmakers from DreamWorks Animation’s HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON: THE HIDDEN WORLD. Get ready to rediscover Toothless—the King of all Dragons—as he meets a potential girlfriend and journeys alongside Hiccup to a hidden world you thought only existed in myth. Writer/director Dean DeBlois will be joined by special guests as he reveals all-new footage and brings us deep into his surprising tale about growing up, finding the courage to face the unknown, and the most unlikely of friendships—one that’s spanned the lifetimes of both the Night Fury and the chief of Berk.

UPDATE: It looks like Dean DeBlois is already here in New York City along with F. Murray Abraham and Brad Lewis, where they are recording the final lines for Grimmel! See his Instagram posts below:

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Sneak Peek of The Hidden World's Music


Each of the dragon films comes with new musical themes, composed by John Powell. Wondering what the themes of How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World will sound like? John Powell just released a piano version of one of them! Listen above!

What do you think of the new theme? Where do you think it will be used in the film?

Now you can tell your friends you've heard parts of The Hidden World's music before anyone else! John Powell says he will release a second version of this theme next week — still a software instrument mockup, but this time fully orchestrated — so follow John Powell on Instagram and stay tuned!

Hidden World Revealed: DreamWorks Dragons at TIFF



This article is a comprehensive write-up of the How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World screening event at TIFF 2018, including a detailed description of the three clips shown from the film, and a discussion of the film by director Dean DeBlois, producer Brad Lewis, later joined by Jay Baruchel, the voice of Hiccup. The event was moderated by Cameron Bailey, TIFF artistic director.

Warning: The rest of this article contains spoilers.



"Separated in a Way the Audience Won't Hate Us For"



Hiccup and Toothless bonding in the third film's trailer.

It is challenging enough to create a film that an audience will fall in love with in the theater. But it is even more challenging for a film like How to Train Your Dragon, which has built up a large and passionate fanbase over the last last eight years through films, TV series, shorts, and graphic novels.

Dean DeBlois describes dragon fans as "very vocal and fervent," who are skilled in finding ways of reaching out to the creators behind the film, and telling them their thoughts. While they do listen to fans, he said, it is most important as a filmmaker to follow your gut. This includes taking storytelling risks, such as the death of Hiccup's father at the end of Dragon 2 or the loss of Hiccup's leg at the end of Dragon 1. The weight and significance of these story choices have come to define the style of the Dragons films, and we can most likely expect something of similar magnitude within The Hidden World.


The crew meeting with Cressida Cowell during production of the third film.

In particular, DeBlois discusses meeting with Cressida Cowell during the end of the first film, when she was still finishing her final book in the series. He mentions being excited with how she had decided to end the series by explaining why dragons were no longer around. Dean DeBlois and Chris Sanders had decided early during their work on Dragon 1 that the story of the films should diverge from the story of the books. However, even though he and Cowell pursued different stories, DeBlois mentions his fondness for the first line of the books, "There were dragons when I was a boy." Contained within this line was potential for a bold, daring, and deeply impactful story not just about dragons — but about how their two leading characters, Hiccup and Toothless, must eventually and inevitably be separated forever. DeBlois mentions ET, Born Free, and Fox and the Hound as examples of films that are ambitious and take similar risks with characters and storytelling, but do so in a way that "the audience won't hate us for."


"Start Ruling Like a Proper Royal Couple"



Hiccup and Astrid from the third film's trailer.

Both Hiccup and Berk have changed substantially between Dragon 2 and Dragon 3. During the first two films, DeBlois said, we have seen Hiccup-the-nuisance "blossom" into Hiccup-the-Chief. However, Berk is far from the dragon utopia described by Hiccup in the narration of the trailer — DeBlois describes their way of life as "unsustainable" with far too many dragons being rescued from dragon hunters and being brought back to Berk. Gobber, in particular, is not so thrilled with this new arrangement. He does not appreciate how Hiccup is constantly bringing back new dragons. Instead, he wishes Hiccup would focus more on Berk, its people, and issues at home. In an embarrassing moment for everyone, Gobber tells Hiccup and Astrid that they should "hang up their saddles and start ruling like a proper royal couple."

Both of them object to different parts of Gobber's idea, as we see in the second scene of the following clip.


CLIP 1: Baby Hiccup Flashback / Leg Fetch


This clip starts with a flashback to a time before Dragon 1. We see a young Hiccup, only a couple years old, held in the arms of his father, Stoick. This scene, reminiscent of The Lion King, shows Stoick and Hiccup looking out across Berk. Stoick describes to Hiccup how one day he will be chief and Hiccup will inherit the job of protecting the island. Stoick talks about a "hidden world," an "old mariners' myth" about where dragons come from. Stoick says that someday he will find the hidden world and seal it, ending the war with dragons. He promises that he will protect Hiccup and Berk from the dragons, including Night Furies, which are especially terrifying to young Hiccup.

A fan illustration of the young Hiccup flashback sequence.

After the flashback scene, the clip transitions to the present day. We see a rocky island similar to Itchy Armpit from Dragon 2, where Hiccup and Toothless have landed after Gobber has told Hiccup and Astrid to get married. In this clip, we see Toothless practicing gliding on his own, though he is not able to fully fly yet without Hiccup. Hiccup takes off his leg and throws it off the edge of the island cliff. Toothless, like a puppy, dives after it to retrieve it several times.

Astrid, as usual, is able to find Hiccup in his brooding island — likely with the help of Stormfly. She and Stormfly land next to him and they tiptoe around the discussion of marriage and the future of Berk. Hiccup carefully asks about marriage, Astrid says that this is also silly and that they are nowhere near ready to be married. Hiccup very quickly agrees with her that the idea is crazy. Too quickly — Hiccup seems more interested in the idea of marriage than Astrid is.

Hiccup changes the topic to finding the hidden world, recalling the moment shared with his father during the flashback scene. He proposes moving all of Berk and its dragons into the hidden world so that they no longer face threats from the outside world. Astrid dismisses this idea, mentioning how Berk has survived for generations, and that Stoick lived and died to protect Berk. In her mind, moving to the hidden world would be impossible and out of the question.

When Hiccup turns the discussion back to their marriage again, suggesting that Snotlout is still available if she is no longer interested in him, Astrid jokes that Snotlout "only has eyes for [Hiccup's] mom," and that because of this, there may be a wedding after all. Hiccup is playfully outraged and foolishly initiates a wrestling match with Astrid, which she easily wins by simply twisting Hiccup's arm. Hiccup and Astrid hear a distant sound, and Toothless chases after it. Toothless glides away from them into the distance, accidentally leaving Hiccup stranded on the island. "Yeah, don't bother to wait for us!" Hiccup calls out.


"Somewhere Between Animation and Live Action"


One goal of the lighting and art design in the Dragon films is to add a sense of realism and depth not always present in animated films. By doing so, dangers the characters are placed in feel even more real to the audience, action becomes more vivid, and the stakes of the story are raised. DeBlois notes that during the Dragon films, he hoped to avoid standard tropes of animation such as animals that can talk and dragon flames that have minimal effect on their subject other than giving them "crispy hair."


Hiccup's hair is not crispy in this screenshot from the first dragon film.

The previous clip contains scenes from both the present and a flashback to the past, and we see two very different styles of lighting and design during each sequence. After the clip is shown, Brad Lewis discusses the use of "aggressive" lighting and artistic choices within the clips and the influence of Roger Deakins, who consulted with cinematography on the film. In the past, Deakins has worked on the film throughout its production, from initial conception of color choices, times of day, and general appearance of scenes in the film to providing shot-by-shot guidance on lighting, later in the production of the films, as if working on a live action set. DeBlois says Deakins' work places the Dragon films "somewhere between animation and live action" in how the world looks and feels.


"The Third Film is About Letting Go"



A very sad Toothless from the trailer of the third film.

The three dragon films track with Hiccup's coming of age, each representing "universal crossroads" in Hiccup's life. In the first film, Hiccup learned to "be yourself and let the world change around you." However, as Dean DeBlois expanded Hiccup's story and universe after the first film, he realized that Hiccup had everything he wanted at the start of the story: he is respected by his tribe, has earned his father's trust and admiration, has gained a friendship with Astrid and the other dragon riders, and has the coolest dragon known to Vikings. Something had to change. In the second film, Hiccup steps into adulthood, where Stoick's death acts to push Hiccup out of his comfort zone and learn to take responsibility for his tribe. By doing so, Hiccup defines himself against his two parents, showing us who he is and proving himself as a leader in his own right rather than relying on Stoick and Valka.

The third film represents yet another point of growth for Hiccup, and a universal rite of passage for us: The Hidden World is about letting go. DeBlois touches on a particular aspect of this: letting go when allowing others to pursue their own destinies. Though unsaid, he is likely referring to Hiccup's relationship with Toothless as he discovers his new role with the Light Fury in the hidden world. The Light Fury is a dragon subspecies related to the Night Fury. While at first, Hiccup is eager to welcome the Light Fury into the Berk dragon collective, the Light Fury is only interested in leading Toothless back into the hidden world with her, the place where she and Toothless ultimately come from. Unlike Toothless, the Light Fury has no interest in living with humans. She is given no personal name in the film other than "Light Fury," DeBlois says, because they wanted to keep her wild.

This is a challenge for Hiccup — in the first two films, Hiccup's strength has always come from Toothless. As Toothless pursues his destiny with the Light Fury as a leader of the hidden world, Hiccup must come to terms with the fact that he has no place in the hidden world, and no role in Toothless' future. DeBlois describes Hiccup as needing to overcome the "neediness" of his relationship with Toothless. However, at the same time, pressure is mounting as Hiccup must face external challenges in the form of Grimmel, the villain of the third film voiced by F. Murray Abraham, but this time without the support of his dragon.


"The Strength of Astrid Sharpens Hiccup's Sword"



Astrid sharpening Hiccup's sword during the film trailer.

Brad Lewis discusses how Hiccup and Toothless are both placed in leadership roles, though neither of them is born to be a leader. It is only through others who are natural leaders that these two characters find their strength. For Hiccup, this is Astrid. And for Toothless, we learn that this is the Light Fury. In this film, it is the strength of the female characters — Astrid, Valka, and the Light Fury — that form the "backbone" of the story. Or as Brad Lewis describes it, "the strength of Astrid sharpens Hiccup's sword."

Dean DeBlois mentions the importance of female characters in this story, and how important he finds it to write women who are interesting and play dynamic roles in his stories, whether in Dragon, Mulan, or Lilo and Stich. In particular, it seems that the dynamic between Astrid and Hiccup will be especially critical in this film, as well as the parallel relationship found betwen Toothless and the Light Fury. In many ways, Astrid will be the support that Hiccup never knew he had. She is someone who Hiccup can rely on when, in the past, he may have turned to Toothless.


CLIP 2: Courtship Ritual



Hiccup prompting Toothless during the courtship ritual.

The moments in the Hidden World trailer of Toothless wooing the Light Fury in are from this sequence. Before this point in the film, we have seen the Light Fury several times, but only briefly. This sequence is the first major interaction between Toothless and the Light Fury.

The sequence starts in the middle of the night. Hiccup and Toothless are asleep in a tent within a larger tent camp — this is in the middle of their quest to find the hidden world. The Light Fury has a special ability to fly through a ball of her own fire, turning her scales transparent and causing her to disappear against the night sky. She enters the scene outside the tent camp, invisible, but still casting a shadow on Hiccup's tent. Toothless wakes up (disturbing Hiccup's sleep) after somehow being alerted to the Light Fury's presence, and sneaks out after the Light Fury.

For the first time in this clip, we see the Light Fury. When invisible, the Light Fury's skin still slightly displaces her background, allowing us to see her shape and outlines against the rest of the scene. When the Light Fury "cools off," her body slowly appears. She becomes visible not slowly and uniformly, but with a rippling effect starting at her head, where a discrete line separates her fully visible and fully transparent skin moves and across the rest of her body as she appears.

The Light Fury has decided to sneak into the tent camp to lure Toothless away from the sleeping Vikings and perform a courtship ritual. She leads him to the sandy beach shown in the trailer and begins courting Toothless. Toothless, having spent much of his life living with Hiccup and unschooled in the ways of wild dragons, is not particularly good at this. Unfortunately, neither is Hiccup, who seems to have started following Toothless at some point, and pops up in the bushes behind Toothless and out of sight of the Light Fury. Hiccup seems to recognize what is happening and starts prompting Toothless with a variety of cool dragon moves. Hiccup's cool moves are not good enough for the Light Fury. Her face displays increasing worry for Toothless, and Toothless becomes increasingly frustrated with Hiccup's prompting.


Toothless drawing for the Light Fury using the broken branch.

The remainder of the scene closely mirrors the Magic Hour / Forbidden Friendship sequence in the cove from Dragon 1. The Light Fury, disgruntled, moves away from Toothless and flies onto a nearby branch. She grabs it with her tail, tucks her wings around her body, and starts to sleep bat-like on the branch. Toothless, still prompted by Hiccup, crawls into the branch and starts hoping up and down, eventually breaking the branch and falling. After following Hiccup's advice and repeatedly failing, Tooothless gives up on Hiccup and chooses a strategy of his own. He grabs a branch in his mouth and begins to draw in the sand of the beach. When we see the drawing, it is immediately obvious as a line drawing of the Light Fury's face. She likes it. "Oh, now you can draw...," Hiccup mutters.

However, while Toothless is able to glide on his own in the previous clip, he still isn't able to fly on his own when the Light Fury flies away. Toothless takes off and attempts to follow the Light Fury, but crashes into the water. We see Hiccup, watching, scheming, thinking about building Toothless a new tail.


"Let Your Ears Get Carried by Music..."



In the process of scoring the film, via John Powell.

This courtship scene in the previous clip is entirely nonverbal, with the exception of Hiccup's single line and the occasional dragon vocalization. All clips shown at TIFF used temporary music. Until John Powell's score is finished and recorded approximately a month from now, existing music from other sources, such as previous Dragon films, is used for animation and editing. This clip's scratch music was primarily Forbidden Friendship, with a couple other cues from the first film mixed in at the beginning and end of the scene. Jonsi will also return, says DeBlois, and is working with John Powell to create new music for this film. It sounds as though Jonsi's music will have a special role in crafting the musical atmosphere of the hidden world.

Dean DeBlois and Brad Lewis discuss the advantages of animation as a visual medium, allowing them to design nonverbal scenes like these much more easily and expressively than in live action. Lewis talks about the scriptwriting process, and how initial scripts written by DeBlois contain "dialogue direction for what the Light Fury and Toothless are thinking," which is used as reference by the story team as they transform the dialogue into expression and actions by the characters. The music by John Powell plays an especially important role in scenes like these. Though the scene fit well with the structure of Forbidden Friendship scratch track, it should be interesting to see the scene again with the final music.


"Stoick's Beard Was an Accomplishment Itself"



Stoick's incredible beard, via Sandy Tie Dong, surfacing artist and beard expert.

The Hidden World also benefits from major improvements in animation technology at DreamWorks. Dean DeBlois and Brad Lewis talk about how some elements of producing animated films are especially hard, such as fur, hair, sand, water, clouds, cloth, and fire. These materials are either particle systems, or require modeling careful interaction of many small, discrete objects to prevent collisions. Over time, these challenging effects have become easier. DeBlois says that in Dragon 1, "Stoick's beard was an accomplishment itself" and he "wanted to have a wrap party just for the beard." But even in The Hidden World, fire is challenging: shots that contain flames (many, given that this is a dragon film) take substantially more time to render.

DreamWorks has a history of introducing new software into their pipeline for the Dragon films, and The Hidden World is no exception. Dragon 2 was the first film to use their new animation software, Premo, and lighting tool, Torch. The Hidden World has its share of new technologies as well, including a new back-end renderer called Moonray. DeBlois discusses how much power this new system gives them in bringing to life scenes that would have been previously considered too challenging — even scenes that during the production of the second film, would have had to be scaled back because they contained too many characters or complex effects. But at the end of the day, a film like this relies not only on technology, but people. In addition to this, Brad Lewis adds, they are lucky to be working with a crew of nearly three hundred incredible artists working every day to bring The Hidden World to life.

(If you're interested in the technology of The Hidden World, watch a recent talk by Andrew Van Pernis on Moonray, Premo, the difficulties of animating dragons, and R&D at DreamWorks Animation!)


"A 360-Degree Niagara Falls"



The caldera entrance to the hidden world.

The hidden world is the ancestral home of dragons, a enormous cavern of "endless tunnels" that is teeming with both dragon and non-dragon life. From the start, the hidden world was imagined as being far grander than any other dragon-inhabited land from the other films. It's much larger than the caves of the Red Death from the first film, and even more spectacular than Valka's dragon mountain from the second film. The hidden world is not just a single cave, but a massive series of interconnected caves spanning the entire world and connecting all dragons living in it.

While the hidden world is intended to be awe-inspiring, it's also firmly rooted in biology and physics. Dean DeBlois first imagined the hidden world in a dream as a hole in the sea. To match the real-world physical style of the Dragon world, this early vision of the hidden world transformed into a caldera of an undersea volcano, described by DeBlois as "a 360-degree Niagara Falls." As we've seen in the first glimpses of the hidden world in the first trailer, the environment under the sea is open and spacious, decorated with stacks of crystals, stalactites and stalagmites. The hidden world is packed with colorful life, including mushrooms, bioluminescent fungi, and something similar to sea coral that is able to live in the open air environment. DeBlois mentions the technical difficulty of lighting the hidden world, with massive its stacks of crystal scattered across the underground environment, but also the challenge of creating an unreal, fantastical landscape using realistic lighting.


"Be Back by Eleven!"



Grimmel, the villain of the third film, shown in the trailer.

Although Toothless is able to glide on his own, he still cannot follow the Light Fury into the hidden world without Hiccup — and bringing Hiccup on a date would be weird! Hiccup, not one to make it weird, builds Toothless a new tail that seems similar to the one in Gift of the Night Fury. Hiccup's new tail fin for Toothless works by mirroring the movements of the existing fin.

With his new tail fin, Toothless is finally sent off to follow the Light Fury. Hiccup seems to have several motives for this. He hopes that Toothless is able to pursue his relationship with the Light Fury and possibly bring her back to live with the Vikings. But it seems that he also may be hoping that that Toothless will help them find the hidden world, which he has been searching for without success. After all, Toothless has a history in the Dragon films of exposing previously unknown dragon lands. And with external pressure from Grimmel increasing, Hiccup is running out of time if he wants to find the hidden world.

Hiccup believes Toothless will return soon. Dean DeBlois compares Hiccup sending off Toothless to a parent sending a child off for a first date, expecting them to "be back by eleven!" But days pass and Hiccup waits, and Toothless does not return to Hiccup. Becoming increasingly worried about Toothless, Hiccup recruits Astrid and her dragon, Stormfly, to track down Toothless to bring him back.

This is how Hiccup and Astrid discover the hidden world in the following clip.


CLIP 3: The Hidden World



Hiccup and Astrid flying into the hidden world to find Toothless.

Hiccup and Astrid fly across the ocean on the back of Stormfly as she tries to track down Toothless. After soaring across miles of water, with Hiccup about to give up hope, Stormfly leads Hiccup and Astrid to the caldera entrance of the hidden world. Stormfly, always one to show off, dives with a barrel roll into the waterfall, and they enter the hidden world.

Still tracking Toothless, Stormfly and her riders soar through the undersea caves of the hidden world in a sequence that was partially shown in the first trailer. Hiccup and Astrid are surprised and relieved that the hidden world does exist after all. As they travel through the hidden world, we see through a cavern with large collections of eggs that was shown briefly in the trailer. As Stormfly flies through this cavern, the eggs begin to glow in a wave of illumination that follows the the dragon and her riders.


Shots from the trailer of Hiccup, Astrid, and Stormfly tracking Toothless.

Hiccup spots Toothless from a distance, between pieces of hidden world coral. He is hovering around the Light Fury. Not wanting to spook the two dragons, Hiccup and Astrid have landed, hidden behind a rock, so Toothless and the Light Fury cannot see them. The two dragons land on a large rock placed in the center of the massive cavern in which Hiccup and Astrid are hiding.

Toothless, as alpha, seems to be the leader of the hidden world, alongside the Light Fury. Toothless motions for the Light Fury to follow him onto the rock, as the other dragons in the cavern take notice. Together, dragons across the cavern seem to bow toward the cute dragon couple, vibrating their wings and bodies.

Interspersed between shots of Toothless and the Light Fury are shots of Hiccup and Astrid in hiding, watching. Although the majority of this scene is nonverbal, it is clear that the two Vikings have very different reactions to what they are watching. We see Astrid's expression: she is overjoyed that Toothless is together with the Light Fury, king and queen of the hidden world, that Toothless is the "alpha of dragons, celebrated by the multitudes," in the words of Dean DeBlois. She whispers to Hiccup, "Now that's a king!"

However, though Astrid is smiling and happy, beside her Hiccup becomes increasingly distressed. His heart is breaking as he watches, realizing that he may have lost Toothless. It is clear to him that Toothless has formed a special bond with the Light Fury and the other dragons of the hidden world, and now has a new role in the hidden world. Toothless is their leader, a role similar to Hiccup's on Berk, and a role of which Hiccup recognizes the importance and responsibility. In these interspersed shots, we see Hiccup realizing that he does not belong in the hidden world, that he does not play a part in Toothless' life there, and seems to feel guilty by intruding into the hidden world to find him.

Nearly crying, Hiccup whispers to Astrid, "We should go." But as they are about to leave, a Rumblehorn behind them spots them, and sounds the alarm. The rest of the dragons in the cavern turn to look at Hiccup and Astrid. Seeing the two human invaders, the dragons start charging toward them. Toothless spots and recognizes Hiccup and Astrid. He flies toward them and picks them up in his claws, pulling them away from the dragons descending on them. Toothless flies toward the entrance of the hidden world, looking angry, while Hiccup apologizes to Toothless.


"Wait, is Hiccup Canadian?"



Jay Baruchel at TIFF 2018, via DreamWorks.

It turns out that Jay Baruchel was there all along, hiding.

After the third clip is shown, Baruchel is invited onstage to answer questions about his role in the films. Asked about how unique his voice is and how perfectly it fits the character of Hiccup, Baruchel apologizes for how he sounds. "For whatever reason, Dean — God help him — wanted Hiccup to sound like me."

Now that his work on the film is complete, Jay Baruchel reveals a secret that he kept since the very beginning of his work on the dragon films: he's been intentionally making Hiccup's voice sound as Canadian as he could. Since day one, Baruchel said, "I'm going to make Hiccup sound as hoser as I can possibly make him without getting in trouble."

Cameron Bailey, TIFF artistic director and moderator of the event, asks if Hiccup is actually Canadian.

"I mean… he's not not Canadian…," Baruchel replies.

DeBlois tells us about a day working on Dragon 2, recording lines for Hiccup. Someone in the recording studio asked Baruchel to repeat one of his lines, but to say "sorry" with an American accent instead of a Canadian accent. Baruchel immediately shot back — "Oh? Were the Vikings Americans?"


Jay Baruchel recording for Hiccup in the third film, via Jay Baruchel.

When Dean DeBlois and Chris Sanders took over How to Train Your Dragon late in its production and begin their full rewrite of the story, most of the cast had already been decided, including Jay Baruchel. However, in early versions of the film, Hiccup was written as a much younger child. Baruchel was told to change his voice to make it sound much younger. Jay Baruchel describes his younger Hiccup voice as "dreadful" and "my voice, only more nasal," and gave a demonstration. His description was accurate.

DeBlois calls Hiccup a "kind of a beta leader," with the same self-deprecating personality and mannerisms as Baruchel, but also someone who is kind, intelligent, and "ahead of his time." DeBlois tells us that, because Jay Baruchel has played Hiccup for so long in Riders of Berk, Defenders of Berk, and Race to the Edge, Baruchel often has a better sense of the character than he does. When recording, Baruchel is an expert in tweaking the original lines of the script to add a little more Hiccup flair to the dialogue, finding ways to make DeBlois' words sound even more like Hiccup.

Baruchel talks about his acting history and how it led to his voicing Hiccup. His first jobs were in dubbing French language films and television shows to English when he was twelve years old. He describes how dubbing is "boot camp" for voice acting. Dubbing requires not only skill in acting, but requires speaking in a way that matches the preexisting lip movements of the person on the screen. Eventually, this incredibly boring and difficult part of dubbing becomes instinctive, Baruchel says. For this reason, moving from live action to animation was not very challenging — in fact, much easier than he expected: Baruchel was thrilled when he found out that animation occurs after recording, no lip sync required by him.


"I'm Personally Allergic to Sequels"



Dean DeBlois at TIFF 2018 via DreamWorks.

DeBlois and Lewis talk about the importance of creating family films that truly speak to everyone, rather than talking down to the audience. Instead, successful family films should treat children with respect, and share with them the same level of storytelling and honest emotion we all expect from films without holding back or condescending. Kids are smarter, understand more, and more emotionally capable than we think, Lewis says. As one example, DeBlois mentions the death of Stoick in Dragon 2 and how important this event in Hiccup's life as a guidepost, and as a way to thrust him into the role of a leader. DeBlois discusses losing his own father when he was 19, and how it "forces you into adulthood quicker." Though these emotionally challenging scenes have the potential to upset audiences, they are critical for telling important, powerful, and worthwhile stories — and are part of a tradition in the Dragon trilogy.

DeBlois says he never considered a fourth or fifth Dragon film, and that the story was always intended to be told in three acts. The first film was never made with a sequel in mind — given the time pressure, simply creating a working film telling a single, complete story was the goal. But after the success of the first film, an opportunity to expand Hiccup's story arose. DeBlois says that although he is "personally allergic to sequels," he saw this as an opportunity to explore the parts of Hiccup's story that were left unanswered in the first film. With this final film, he says, the story of Hiccup and Toothless will come to a close, and that they will end this story with "the most epic conclusion we can."



Toothless attending TIFF 2018, via @httyd on Twitter.

What are your thoughts on the TIFF 2018 dragon event? What would you most like to know about The Hidden World? If you weren't there and have more questions about what the discussion and clips show, leave a question in the comments below! Also check out our post-TIFF highlights, shared on @httyd!